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Poll. Do you think that different people age at different rates?

Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:48 AM EST
health, male, genetics, elderly, female, age, operations, high-bp
By R. Donald Snyder

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Do you think that there is a genetic/biological component to aging?

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  • 80608
    Yes, there is.
    80%
  • 80609
    No, it's lifestyle.
    11%
  • 80610
    I don't know.
    6%
  • 80611
    Other.
    3%

VoteTotal Votes: 71

Old man.

Old woman.

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I'm 53 years old and I'm falling apart. I have high blood pressure to the point that it takes 3 medications to control it and it is still looking like I may need a 4th. I have depression and take 225mg of Effexor a day to control that and another 15mg of Buspirone a day to control the physiological anxiety caused by my taking that large amount of Effexor everyday.

I have male Menopause (which affects about 10% of men...lucky me) and that means I have to rub Testosterone gel into my upper arms and stomach so I don't get osteoporosis, kidney failure and possible blindness from lack of Testosterone. On top of that my heart is weak and I take Coreg to keep the damn thing beating and not stopping. It's a near certainty that I'll die of a stroke or heart attack within the next 10 to 15 years and I have no problem with that at all. Still, it makes me curious.

I have had 6 surgeries in the past 6 years years for a series of peri-rectal abscesses, a full under general anesthetic surgery to repair an anal fistula and another to blast kidney stones out and then to later remove the inserted kidney catheter (and believe me...you don't any part of those).

I am now scheduled to go into Cedars Sinai on the 16th of February here in Los Angeles to have an Orthopedic Surgeon slice my elbow open and to move my Ulnar nerve to the inside of my elbow so I don't constantly feel like I just slammed my "funny bone" down onto a table, because where it's at now is trapped between the bones of my elbow and every time I bend it, it feels like someone is sending an electric shock into my funny bone nerve.

My wife, on the other hand, is 67 years old and is in perfect health. She hasn't been to a doctor, except for once for a kidney stone, in the 16 years we've been married. While my health has gone down the tubes she works a full time, in a very demanding job and is not looking to retire for at least another 5 years. I, on the other hand, can not see how I could work anything more then about 20 hours per week and would still need time off to tend to my different medical problems. She is 13 years older then me and quite probably will out live me by at least several years and more likely by a couple of decades. The truth is that I believe that I am aging at a much faster rate then my wife is.

Where does that come from? Is it genetic? Is it gender? My father died at the age of 63 and his father at the age of 69. My mother is still alive (at the age of 75), but her father died at 70 and two of her brothers have died at less then 70 years old too. I have one uncle on my mothers side who made it to 71, but he was in a home with Dementia. One of my fathers brothers is still alive at 70, but his twin died 3 years ago of a heart attack.

Is there a longevity gene? Do you think that some people age at a different rate then others? My wife's parents are both dead and died in their early 70's, but she was adopted and knows nothing of her biological history, so I have nothing from her to compare her too. As far as I can see she's looking at living to a healthy 100 years old and the truth is I'm glad for that. However I wonder why?

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R. Donald Snyder

Coh, please.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:53 AM EST
Peter Merel

It is a very interesting question. I'm close to 48 and have only a few intimations of mortality. Chiefly my hair, which has gone steel coloured with occasional, shifting patches of white.

I had one serious illness in the last 10 years - cellulitis of the leg which came about because a stressful job lowered my immunity. Compared to your hospital experience I count myself lucky - 3 awful days and then back home and soon returned to health.

I put part of my health down to living in Australia where I get plenty of vitamin D, and where there are far fewer pollutants in air, water and food than in North America. Plus I eat vegetarian (+ovo +pisco) mostly, have never smoked and hardly ever drink alcohol. I supplement with magnesium, zinc, B group vitamins and a few trace minerals. I hit dark chocolate, white tea, and blueberries whenever I can. And I stay well away from red meat or other dietary sources of iron.

I have always had an interest in defeating aging. And I have found a few tricks that help. Here's some:

  • Unlike my peers, I have no need of reading glasses. Everyone gets presbyopia at about age 45 when the iris in the eye stiffens to the point that it can no longer be bent by the muscles there. While the stiffening is gradual this muscular inability seems to occur quite suddenly. And so most people rush out and get glasses.

    But I found a few articles online suggesting it is possible, by attempting regularly to read tiny print, to strengthen the muscles at the back of the eyeball and use them to focus by deforming its shape, rather than the shape of the lens. After perhaps a year of outright fuzziness and trying very hard not to squint I have apparently trained my eyes in this trick. I am back to being able to read medicine bottle labels and so on.

    The only real difference between my eyes now and twenty years ago is if I get overtired, or if I stare at a screen all day long. Or if the light is dim. And then they can seem fuzzy again for a little while. And they don't accomodate from near to far vision as rapidly they used to.

    When you think about it, really it doesn't make evolutionary sense that people should turn blind for the second half of their life. I think it's just that the lens-bending works better and quicker than eye-ball-bending, so that's what we have when we're younger. When we're older, the other system kicks in eventually. If we don't skip training it by wearing glasses instead.

  • Gut. Middle aged men get portly, and I have always had a bit of flab on me. A couple of years ago I hit on one solution - the Shangri La Diet. Which works fine, but I worried that I seemed to be losing muscle mass in addition to getting fatter so I have changed tack as follows in the next point.
  • Bones. It's not just a bit of stiffness, it's the likelihood of osteoporosis if one does not do load bearing exercise regularly. So I started looking into this properly about a year ago. I hate exercise with a passion - except for passionate exercise. But I have found that a way to combine high intensity interval training with Hindu wrestler exercises that compacts a whole body workout into about 5 minutes a night. Seems to work fine. At least I am presently stronger, more flexible, and more muscular than I have ever been in my life. Still carrying too much weight so I may combine this with SLD. But not yet convinced the exercises alone won't do the trick. Anyway I will write an article on this part eventually.
  • Sex. It's not just "male menopause". Most men slow down about now. I know my Dad did around my age. But there are a great many bodily systems that key off sexual cycles, so that's not really a good idea. Here I'm lucky to have been an enthusiastic taoist for the last 25 years, and to have learned the ancient oriental art of semen retention. I learned it for the fun of multiple extended orgasm, but I have the feeling that it is actually effective for what it is supposed to do - retard aging. At least ... I haven't slowed down yet. If I'm still in good fettle in 10 years I think that'd be strong anecdotal evidence that those old fakirs weren't fakers.
  • And white tea keeps my skin smooth. My other organs too, I hope.

So ... at almost 48, so far so good. Could be genetic too. Whether it's lifestyle or not, I'm just happy to be so lucky.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:04 AM EST
Lkessler

I think it may be a combination of lifestyle and genetics. If you do a lot of the lifestyle things right, you may be able to circumvent somewhat the card that your genetics may have dealt you. :)

  • 12 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:47 AM EST
Demosthene

RDS, bless you in defeating your trials of life, I wish you more health and much happiness. Keep up with your meds, you never know when a breakthrough might offer you better in life.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:03 AM EST
LindaMarie2

I think it has to do with family history, not quite sure though. But I know my Father was in excellent health,up till the age of 85-89. My father pass away at the age of 92,when he slipped and fell in the seniors home,when he was bumped by a nurse,who didn't realize he was standing behind her. And turned too quickly and my father fell breaking his hip. And while in the hospital developed pneumonia which is what took his life,he lasted one day and was gone. But His brothers (my Uncles ), all lived to be in their 90's also. So what I'm saying here is... it's in your blood. Your Mother & Father,your Grandparents,how they lived when they were young and how there health was (can) and does effect how your longevity will be.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:05 PM EST
eriq samson

LKessler - you have it bassackwards - lifestyle can help genetics (i.e. poor lifestyle choices can accelerate dsieases) but not disrupt it (make you healthier) - genetics still wins out

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:21 PM EST
Mark in Worcester

I believe that lifestyle is the biggest factor. Partially because it's the easiest to mitigate. But the North American diet is killing us. The only way to eat healthy in this country is to either produce your own food or buy locally from farms that you trust.

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:54 PM EST
LindaMarie2

Mark in Worcester): "The only way to eat healthy in this country is to either produce your own food or buy locally from farms that you trust."

Now ! That I totally agree with ! I Love My Gardin in Spring.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:12 PM EST
Lkessler

Thanks Eriq, but if you had read the post (which you obviously did not) I said it might help to "somewhat circumvent" the genetic card. I did not say your genetics don't win. Genetics cannot be changed.

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:14 AM EST
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R. Donald Snyder

I have no problem with knowing that I'll almost certainly die before my wife who is nearly 14 years older then me, but I have to admit that I am curious as to if other people think that we are born with a genetic alarm clock so, that unless we die unexpectedly like in a car accident or such, we are programmed to die within a certain age range of say 60 to 70 or 70 to 80 or such?

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:56 AM EST
frostyone

I think it's genetic I mean look at Sally Fields or Dick Clark.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:17 AM EST
frostyone

.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:18 AM EST
kaviaq

While I think genetic play a strong role in aging, I also think diet has a lot to do with it. If you are eating the Standard American Diet (SAD) you are probably exacerbating your genetic weaknesses. If I were you I'd get a nutritionist.

Most GPs know little to nothing about nutrition and can't help. They don't even mention diet. I had high blood pressure at 34 years-old. It runs in my family...but then again, so do big fat butts and lousy eating habits! I lost 25lbs (I'm still too heavy, but it helped) and changed my diet. Just adding a lot of fiber and fresh produce immediately (within 2 weeks) normalized my BP. I've since switched to a healthy vegan diet and my blood sugar and cholesterol have all gone back to being normal. I was making myself sick and didn't even know it! You don't have to be vegan to eat healthy, although you can't eat a lot of meat and be healthy.

  • 6 votes
#2.3 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:44 AM EST
madbrnnr

although you can't eat a lot of meat and be healthy.

That's a nice blanket generalization, however it is totally wrong.

Without an empirical study, all information is anecdotal, *but* I eat meat, a lot, always have and will never stop (not to mention milk, eggs and cheese - yum), yet I'm healthy to the point of making insurance agents and doctors sick. Aside from a trip for knee surgery to finally correct an injury from my time in the military I haven't been to the doctor in 20 years and haven't been sick in as long. I am asked to prove I am really in my 50s and not 10 - 15 years younger.

You need to understand (and I suspect you really do) that genetics plays a huge role and no two people are the same, period. Nothing works the same and all you can do is maximize what you have to work with. And you certainly won't want to hear my views/experiences on smoking.

Now, go and enjoy your vegan lifestyle, and I wish you well with it. No hatred from me on it, and no preaching to come back to my side either. Pity so many on your side can't practice the same approach.

  • 4 votes
#2.4 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:57 AM EST
kaviaq

That's a nice blanket generalization, however it is totally wrong.

The China Study, among others shows that consumption of large quantities of meat causes heart disease and diabetes and that humans are healthier eating plant based diets. It is a generalization because it is generally true. Perhaps you are the exception to the rule, but most people fit well under my "blanket of generalization".

  • 5 votes
#2.5 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:24 PM EST
took43583

Certain people do well with a diet almost devoid of plant material, and have probably been quite well-adapted to this diet for many centuries. In fact, modern processed and high-carbohydrate diets are now causing type II diabetes in some groups that have strayed from their traditional diet

The Inuit Paradox

There is likely a genetic component, and the Inuit diet is more high-fat than it is high-protein, so the presence of large amounts of good fats from fish may be the reason why they have such low rates of heart disease, obesity, hypertension, diabetes and so forth (until the kids start eating Western fast food and soda pop, that is....)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11566644

http://inchr.com/Doc/January2007/Dewailly-prostate.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12848280

I wonder how an Inuit would do on a vegan diet?

  • 4 votes
#2.6 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:39 PM EST
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R. Donald Snyder

Continue on. My meds are making me sleepy, but I'll check in later........................

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:20 AM EST
The Spirit

Part of it is genetic. Part is lifestyle. Smoking, drinking, junk food, inactivity, etc. Part could be environmental -- exposure to hazardous materials. Another part could be life's experiences -- ups and downs, disappointments, stresses and so on. It all piles up.

As the old man said, "If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself."

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:28 AM EST
bitemore

There is a huge genetic component. If you don't start out with good genes, the deck is stacked against you. However, lifestyle can either assist those genes to increase their life span or decrease it...

Too bad we're not born knowing what we need to do in order to improve our odds, and science isn't really doing much with their "It's-good-for-us, It's -bad-for-us" non-stop about-faces. Overall life span seems to be increasing over what it was 100 or 200 years ago, and science is taking the credit for that. I disagree, at least in part, because 200 years ago there were more risks in everyday life than there are now. Anyway, statistics are always given for averages, and there are a lot more humans now than there were 200 years ago, and even then a certain percentage made it into their 100's.

Back to genetics... there is a disease called "Progeria" (Aging Disease) that accelerates the aging process from birth to death (most die in their 20's, many die much sooner). But, lifestyle can add years to a life span if one only knows what is good as opposed to what is not. Habits that kill most don't seem to affect others (smoking, for example).

I think the best indicator for any individual is simply to look at the life spans of blood relatives, consider their lifestyles, then make whatever changes you deem necessary to overcome the odds and beat them at their own game.

Easier said than done, though. I had a great-aunt on my father's side who lived to be 106, and she was an adventurer - she traveled non-stop the world over, barely stopping long enough to exchange gossip and news before moving on again. You'd think that kind of stress would have done her in before she was 50, but apparently she thrived on it. My father died before he reached 60, but his lifestyle was about as destructive as it gets: alcoholic, smoker... pretty much doomed from the get-go. His sister, my aunt, is still going strong at 82. His own parents made it well into their 90's.

I'll be lucky to see 70. I smoked for 40 years, quitting only 2 1/2 years ago. But, we'll see.

R. Donald, I sincerely hope you make it another 20 or 30 years. You are one of the good guys, and we still need as many of those as we can get. I know your wife will agree.

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:45 AM EST
Thomas-Jefferson

Donald I hope you overcome these afflictions, you are still young enough to. I believe it is mostly in your mind. Genetics plays a role but your genes are highly evolved from ancestors who withstood many trials so it is unlikely you got a bad set. Mental state and lifestyle plays a huge role. I know that your worldview is very far to the left and I believe this plays a negative role in your health. I was once very much influenced by leftist thought and ideals and began to have health problems which have gone away once I saw through it all. Leftist activism is emotionally based and seeks to expose a person to pain and suffering and then corral the natural human reactions of anger. Scientific studies have shown that these sorts of emotions cause the body to go haywire inside. We are all suffering from this because of the media and everything else putting negative thoughts in our heads but some suffer more then others. There is a lot of new research and advice out there on how to train your brain to think in ways which are healthier for your body.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:11 AM EST
TR-421173

I think it is part genetics, and part attitude (which genetics may play a part in (being around your parents/grandparents and learning their ways as well as what you were genetically pre-disposed to.) A mix of genetics and attitude (mind-set) can overcome many things as myself and various family members of mine & my wife have shown many up to very old (over or close to 100+). To me it is not how much time you pack into your life, but how much life you can pack into what time you have. Tell them you love them, sing, allways dance as if no one is watching, smell the flowers, kiss (hug) that person (girl, guy, child, animal), gaze at the stars (mountains, desert, ocean, etc...) in wonder and smile that you got to be a part of it.

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:39 AM EST
PJ Stuart

RDS, I hope you find some real solutions to your health issues. I'm sorry you have suffered so much...

The question: I look years younger than my age, the only health issues I struggle with are back pain and fibromyalgia, I have the flexibility and muscle tone of a much younger person even though I had to quit much of my work out routine due to pain. Everything I mentioned is genetically seen throughout my family. My eating habits are terrible, if I eat at all it's not what you would call well balanced, I smoke and have been known to drink alcohol on occasion. I rarely sleep and when I do, it's very light and little REM sleep. Yet, except for the back issues (genetic) and the fibromyalgia (believed to be brought on by trauma) I am healthier than I should be for my age. So in my case, it seems it is definitely genetics...my past life choices were even worse and should have caught up to me by now. I know people of my generation that actually seem old and suffer with a myriad of problems. Both of my parents got hit hard with health issues in their mid to late seventies, maybe that is my fate, especially if I don't start a healthier lifestyle.

Thoughtful post, thanks RDS and all the best!

PJ

  • 1 vote
#6.2 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:20 AM EST
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dawnypawny

Interesting question R.Donald. I am surprised and happy at each day that I am alive. I was pretty much told nearly six years ago that I was at the end of the line. However, I made it through. I try to use each day to make my self a worthwhile person.

My dad died of Alzheimer's at age 79, which seemed young for as healthy as a life style as he maintained. My mother also lived in a healthy manner and made it to 86. Her father lived to be 97, and maintained a good mind. His mother was nearly 89 when she died and very active until the end.

I am sure hoping it is genetic, and that I have the traits of those who lived long and still had their minds in the family. I feel like I have a lot to do before I am ready to go. Each day is a treasure to me, with the feeling, I am not finished making a difference.

I don't know how long I am going to live, but hoping to make each day worthwhile, while I am still here. If tragedy was a cause of death, I'd been gone long ago.

Attitude seems to make a difference. I have hope and love for myself and others. Appreciation of the joys in life may make the difference.

The best to you R.Donald, in your quest for a longer life. I hope happy enters into the mix of what we may have to experience.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:40 AM EST
loogiequeen

Both of my parents died from cancer at the age of 48. They were farmers, lived the wholesome life and never smoked nor drank. The only explanation we have ever remotely tied to their early deaths was their high consumption of red meat (which my mother always burned to a crisp for fear of bacteria). Myself, I am turning 55, have never had a serious illness, remain very physically active, watch what I eat and my weight, am told I easily pass for someone ten years younger. I had a grandfather who seemed to age slowly and died in his 80's, an aunt who seemed to change little in a physical sense well into old age.

So is it genetics or lifestyle? In my case, the evidence seems to point toward a lucky draw of the cards genetically, but I think lifestyle is a greater influence. But sometimes you can follow all the "rules" and still end up in poor health. I never take my fortune with good health for granted, and am very thankful. I agree with TR-421173 that "it is not how much time you pack into your life, but how much life you can pack into what time you have".

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:54 AM EST
kaviaq

Both of my parents died from cancer at the age of 48. They were farmers, lived the wholesome life and never smoked nor drank. The only explanation we have ever remotely tied to their early deaths was their high consumption of red meat (which my mother always burned to a crisp for fear of bacteria).

Wow, I know high consumption of red meat can cause cancer, as can consumption of burnt food, but I had no idea it could kill otherwise healthy people by age 48! That is really scary.

  • 4 votes
#8.1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:49 AM EST
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Wizeguy

My dad died when I was 17 he was 65. It was the days before we knew what cholesterol can do to your body. Stupid as I was I smoked, drank and certainly ate all the wrong foods. I avoided Doctors not wanting to know how bad things were. At 52 my wife pushed me to full fledged physical. Hep C, hernia, high cholesterol and of course the warning to stop smoking. Six months of therapy (weekly self injections) put the Hep C to sleep for the next 50 years my liver has regenerated. Got the hernia repaired. Stopped smoking been 9 years now. I'm 62 now and never felt better in my life. I believe all my ailments were self inflicted if genetics have anything to with longevity. My Grandmother lived to 99 my Mother to 82.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:09 AM EST
Demosthene

I hope it is at least partially genetic, but I have no way of telling as I am an adoptee and the only blood relative I know is my son. I'm 55 and he will soon be 36. Both of us are guessed younger most of the time, although that is becoming rarer as my hair gets greyer and his gets thinner.

I eat well, very little meat, as does the son, but my 63-year-old husband has a long tradition of eating poorly and has recently paid the price. Quadruple bypass surgery. One of the good effects from that, however, is that he has now lost the 20 pounds he wanted to shed (although I won't recommend the surgery as a good weight lose tool) and his lifespan has potentially increased. His surgeon told me after the surgery that he was lucky to have been still walking around, much less working a 40 hour a week job, and even luckier that there is virtually no other damage to his heart, particularly as he is a 20-year diabetic. We hope to keep him for a while longer.

I've had three surgeries in my life: tonsillectomy (as a young child), gall bladder removal and hysterectomy. These definitely improved my life. Great diet, very physically active, and no bad habits are additions that I hope will keep me healthy, as I feel just great now. The only thing that troubles me is that I don't have anything to go on as to any other ailments that are genetically based, that could appear later in life. At least my son has me to use as a gauge.

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:02 AM EST
Billie-631456

Ron my father was the oldest of 12 kids he buried all his brothers before he died at 63 yrs of age.I had 4 sisters and 2 brorher's the ages they died at are 50.63.62.and one died as a child.I'am 57 and have the the heart problems that run in my family but I have one sister that's two years older than me and hoping she stays healthy,so sure it's our genes. I hope everything goes well for you.

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:06 AM EST
kaviaq

have the the heart problems that run in my family

Unless you have a congenital defect, heart disease is caused by diet. It is treatable and reversible through diet. It "runs in families" because we learn our eating habits from our families.

  • 3 votes
#11.1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:54 AM EST
Billie-631456

sudden death in all but one case in my family

  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:11 PM EST
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bitemore

Off-topic question: why isn't this thread appearing in my tracker of those I have commented on? It shows up in the bottom tracker, the supposedly "new" threads my friends have commented on. Is anyone else having this problem?

  • 2 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:16 AM EST
Lkessler

haven't noticed any problems with my tracker today, bitemore--but don't count it off yet, it may surprise me, the day's still young. ;o

  • 3 votes
#12.1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:54 AM EST
bitemore

#12.1 ...but don't count it off yet, it may surprise me, the day's still young. ;o

Thanks... it finally corrected itself, after I made that last comment. Tracker is silly thing...

  • 3 votes
#12.2 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:57 PM EST
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SnotRag Dave

Genetics and lifestyle can combine for longetivity... or early mortality.

Life's a jigsaw puzzle that is missing a couple pieces; just when we near an answer, we realize that we can't complete the solution.

My beautiful wife was recently mistaken for my daughter -- or, rather, I for her father -- and I'm only five months older than she. We are both in reasonable good health, with routine maintenance medications for things such as high blood pressure. Emotionally, I am the calm... she is the storm, and she takes 37.5 mg of Effexor to help deal with the guilt and oppression lumps upon her by her parents. I have only wisps of grey -- more in my beard than elsewhere -- and she has none. Yet, she carries an air of youth and vibrance that apparently I do not.

Still, I look at people who attended high school with me... and I see old fogeys. Aside from my wife, I can't name a single classmate who acts as if life is as much fun today as it was when we were eighteen. It's almost as if, upon receiving that high school diploma, the reality of mortality landed upon them like a bag of cement... and they're afraid to live.

My 50th birthday is coming up... and my son just said to me, "Well, you're halfway there." To which I replied, "To death?"

Who knows how long we have in this realm? It's important to just make the most of what we've got.

Live long and prosper, Randy.

  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:22 PM EST
The Desert Rattler

Stop being so negative. You say that you could work about 20 hours a week. Why don't you try to? The more you concentrate on what ails you, you surely will be supporting more of the pharmaceutical industry; and not helping yourself. Have you ever considered whose mind is controlling you? You need to strengthen and control your own mind. Mind over matter works, the rest doesn't matter.

I have many ills myself, including incurable Pulmonary Fibrosis now for 15 years. I accept that, but it does not control me; nor ever will. So pick yourself up by your boot straps and give yourself your life back. Work on it!

  • 4 votes
Reply#14 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:42 PM EST
R. Donald Snyder

I really don't think that I'm negative. I think I'm being realistic. No offense but it's not like I am wishing myself into high BP or the surgeries that I've had to have and will have soon. Sure, I'm not happy with the health problems that I have had over the past several years, but (again no offense intended) I really don't think a better attitude would have prevented any of them.

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:40 AM EST
The Desert Rattler

What I was trying to say, was that even though things happen that you had no control over, don't let that control how you live your life now. You are only given one life to live, and it is your choice how you want to live the time you were given; once you are gone, you are gone forever. Does it really matter whether or not genetics or other aspects were the cause? What could you do about it?

People get diseases that they still don't know the cause, are incurable, and have no treatment. Should that dictate how they live their time remaining? In no way am I trying to belittle your problems, just trying to help.

  • 1 vote
#14.2 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 11:12 AM EST
PJ Stuart

You cannot judge an individuals situation. Some people can function at different levels for the same diseases. I don't think anyone can tell another what they are capable of, their bodies tell them every day. I know people on disability that are able to do many more activities than I can, but I don't know their whole story so I cannot judge the situation. Pain is relative, some have a higher threshold and some are crippled with lesser health problems. We know our own bodies and our limitations and it is up to each of us to decide what we can and cannot do. Many people who are ill would do anything to be able to work again. The depression that can come from being denied the chance to be as productive as you'd like is as debilitating as some physical illnesses.

  • 2 votes
#14.3 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 11:34 AM EST
The Desert Rattler

I often think about Patrick Swayze and Farah Fawcett and the choices that they made. They chose to do everything they could to live as long, and as full a life as they could during the time they had remaining. For me, they showed alot of courage. They shared their very personal lives with us during their last days in an attempt to give us some courage along the way. Whether or not they succeeded, only the individual person knows.

  • 3 votes
#14.4 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 11:51 AM EST
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mori

aging is a function of inflammation. the more we thwart our inflammation the slower we age. some of this is hereditary, and most is a result of our life style. Taking up to to 10 fish-oil caps per day and niacin, baby aspirin, 5-6 grams of vitamin C per day, possibly curcurmin... ANYTHING that reduces inflammation, slows aging! but yes, heredity can play a role in our imminent demise. I'm in my mid 50's--- most pick me in my early 40's--- my family (who chose to smoke and drink, and eat whatever) died early--- and looked the part. I don't care if I die at 70--- I just want people to say she looked like 45! the things I do facilitate that--- we all can accomplish this if we choose.

  • 2 votes
Reply#15 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:12 PM EST
LindaMarie2

wow! 10 fish caps a day ? Isn't that a lot to take ? ( Just asking )

  • 2 votes
#15.1 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:18 PM EST
mori

some of the latest research would indicate 2.5 grams of epa/dha a day for those with a CRp over 1. As an example: someone struggling with significant cancer will have a CRp in the 5-6 range. If you have the flu, or some type of bacterial infection.., this also raises crp--- maybe 3-4 range... any toxic, psychological, chemical stress, can and will raise inflammation. The goal is to keep it under 1. 10 fish oil caps offer 2.5 grams of epa/dha --- so..., you can't hurt yourself with it, might as well take 10 a day--- unless you're on a blood thinner. I take a handful every day--- don't even count it..., been doin it for close to 20 years. Remember, it's a food--- in the old days, Mom's used to give their kids two tablespoons of Cod Liver oil--- probably much more than 10 fish oil caps! My whole practice is predicated on anti-inflam. there is so much more--- Vit C 5-7 grams. NAC 2 grams. Curcurmin 2 grams, Berberine 2 grams, baby aspirin, increase of adiponectin by CR diet. exercises... It's not about living longer--- I could die tomorrow from a number of possibilities, it's about living well in the moment. I'm 55, I'm running quite a few miles a week, I'm full of energy and happiness, I feel good in the morning, happy as a lark (whatever that means?) The joy and happiness in my life can be related partially to my focus on anti-inflamatorys

  • 2 votes
#15.2 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 12:17 AM EST
LindaMarie2

mori), "Mom's used to give their kids two tablespoons of Cod Liver oil"

Funny you should mention that, I remember my Mom giving us Caster oil in a glass of orange pop everyday. ( like that would mask the Caster oil ! ) lol,lol. Never could figure out why She did that ? ,caster oil> thing?

I just turned 57 years young ! this Dec 7th 2009

  • 2 votes
#15.3 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 12:06 PM EST
Mark in Worcester

I used to get sick several times a year, sometimes lasting for weeks. I started taking a tsp of cod liver oil daily about 2 years ago. Haven't been sick since. Vitamin A and D, which so many people are deficient in and cod liver oil is naturally high in, really do boost your immune system.

  • 3 votes
#15.4 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:16 AM EST
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Tyler Griffin

Ok what overall health always, always, always comes down to (ouside the genetic pool) is eating habits and exercise. I study all avenues of health and i consistently see the lifestyles that we place upon ourselves to be directed towards our own convienence. Problem is that for the food industry to provide convienent foods (such as microwavables, fast food, or any other processed good) they have to add and subtract certain ingriedients to prevent the food from rotting. This results in the loss of density of nutrients, vitimins, and minerals replaced with added fats (namely saturated and trans fats) through oils. Everyone knows about amino acids and how they are the building blocks of protein. Your body makes the majority of them by being synthesized through the liver but there are about 10 amino acids called essential amino acids that can only be obtained through diet. These essential amino acids affect a wide range of health, off the top of my head i can say they affect sugar levels in the blood, sexual drive and performance, mood (depression, skitszofrenic,and has been linked to alzeimers), muscle development (through testosterone and natural human growth hormone), skin health, immune responses, sleeping problems(increase in melatonin), as well as regulating fatty acids in the blood which prevents the build up of fat in arteries. There is much more but the jist of it is that we obviously need these to maintain a healthy existence. Now back to the convienent foods that the average american consumes each and everday.....these foods are lacking your amino acids, nutrients, etc. Without them you can only expect what we as americans are increasingly being diagnosed with, all the diabetes, obesity, depression, anxiety, learning disorders, sleeping problems. Now the question is what to do to reverse the side affects...change your diet to whole foods dense in proteins, good fats which would be the polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats (the lowest percent fats in processed foods i might add), and good carbs no refined breads or pastas stick to grains, vegtables, and fruits. Do a little research they have great alternatives to some of those foods you just cant say no too. I hope this has been of help and acted as a spark for a new light to explore.

Here are a couple things to keep you thinking:

1) Researchers from University College London (UK) did a study on 3500 subjects regarding depression and split them up by what they ate...mostly whole food vs. mostly processed foods....shockingly there was a 30 percent drop of depression risk in those who ate whole food while those who ate processed foods had a 60 percent increased risk of being depressed.

2) There is a nutritionist out of California that treated medical problems through foods. She is highly regarded to be great to the study of holistic health so of coarse she is one of those people that is booked for at least 6 months in advance. So she told her receptionist that when people call for depression problems to go ahead and schedule an appointment but tell them to eat protein (amino acids) with every meal in the mean time. In doing so around half of those very clients called back to cancel the appoinment because their mood was elevated, less stress, and better sleep which eliminated depression.....

  • 4 votes
Reply#16 - Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:00 PM EST
PhxAZMom

Genetics = no way to escape the science on this, some things we cannot control.

Environment = where you live, and the condition you live in play a factor

Nutritional Intake Value = How healthy is your daily diet?

Weight= we all know that excessive weight causes serious health problems.

Exercise routine= are you a once in a while exerciser, or do you maintain a weekly program of cardio and strength building?

Attitude= LISTENING to your inner voice is key. Lots of people hear it but they aren't listening to it. People who don't accept responsibility for their lives, end up wasting time they cant get back. Live in the moment. Become the most positive person you know. It's a tougher task than most people realize, until you put it to the test.

Circumstance = wrong place, right time? right place, wrong time? Choice of occupations can expose us to many health issues over time. Not appearing until later in life too.

Sometimes just talking about how you're feeling, like this blog you wrote, can help release some frustration resentment, and anger that anyone might feel given the health issues you've faced. Sometimes reading other posts that have words of encouragement, extend best wishes, and offer information along with resources, can open new doors for treatment ideas, alternative methods, etc.

We're given no more than we can bear. It's from our lowest, most difficult times in our lives that we find strength we didn't know we had, and we push through. It's not always pretty or perfect but it still counts, and we need to remember that.

I wish I could type the right words that could ease your physical pain. My heart goes out to you, and others reading this, that suffer daily physical pain.

  • 2 votes
Reply#17 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 3:14 AM EST
Lilith41

Yes, Randy I do.. Lifestyle makes a difference and so does genetics. My genetics suck. =(

  • 2 votes
Reply#18 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 6:52 AM EST
Checkmate-983933

I don't know about genetic, but I guess lifestyle can affect it. Stress, anyways. I know 2 people, 55 and 56 years old, who look younger than this one woman who is, like 52-53 years old. She actually looks like she is in her sixties. Meanwhile, I knew someone who was 45 and he looked like he was in his late 30's.

Hell, I saw a picture of an old friend on facebook. Same age as me, 24, and she looked like she was in her thirties.

  • 3 votes
Reply#19 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 9:48 AM EST
weRdoomed

Eat right. Exercise. Die anyway.

  • 4 votes
Reply#20 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 12:37 PM EST
PJ Stuart

I gotta say, old isn't exactly something I look forward to anyway...eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die!

weRdoomed, you got that right...I can't see me on my death bed wishing I did just one more crunch or ate more tofu...

  • 2 votes
#20.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:25 AM EST
frostyone

yeah tofu would make me wish for my death bed and as far as being in shape..I am, round is still a shape as far as I can tell ;)

  • 3 votes
#20.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 3:35 AM EST
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Truth be told-1349420

Malnutrition can make a 30-year-old person looks 60. However, despite regular healty diet, someone's occupation, worries, and daily activities (active vs sedentary) may impact his/her health. One's environment as well may play a role in their early body decline, such as the climate, the air quality (urban vs rural) Food quality (canned vs farm food), his/her social standard and financial status; survival means, personal responsibities, life struggle,
and as well genetic characteristics, etc , all those are factors that affect people aging process.

  • 3 votes
Reply#21 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:16 PM EST
Stu-4803409

Without a doubt...

From the time you are forming until you die you are constantly under attack from bacteria, oxygen, the atmosphere, gravity, republicans, pollution, preservatives, salt, etc.

Everything you do from breathing to drinking water to how hard you poop is going to affect those cells and the rest of your body for the rest of your life. If you work outside you are getting some exercise (usually) but also being bombarded with radiation and pollution. If you work inside you are just bombarded by different environmental poisons like asbestos, paints, carpet fibers, etc.

The quality and length of your life are strongly affected not just by raw genetics but access to vital nutrients when forming, growing, and maintaining your cellular health and the degree of damage that gets done on a daily, hourly or continuous basis.

  • 4 votes
Reply#22 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:24 PM EST
Lkessler

stu: you said:

"From the time you are forming until you die you are constantly under attack from bacteria, oxygen, the atmosphere, gravity, republicans, pollution, preservatives, salt, etc."

Oh, you should've included democrats there, too... C'mon, let's be equal opportunity offenders and not just pick on one party...

But, to be honest, I laughed hysterically when I read your post! So, thanks for the laughs!

  • 2 votes
#22.1 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST
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mstanley2265

My grandmother lived to be 92. She had a pacemaker implant back in the 80's. So not only do all of the above affect longevity but also a quick perseptive physician. Even tho she wasn't happy about being more than 82. As she said I can't hear good, see good or walk good so why am I still here? and this utterance at 82 birthday party.

  • 1 vote
Reply#23 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 8:40 AM EST
mori

Yeah, who wants to live to 100? no matter if you're the most perfect centurion ever! Your friends are dead, or at least can't communicate with you. You hurt, you can't think, you can't drive, and above all you're irrelevant. It's not about living long, it's about feeling good as long as you can, it's called compression of morbidity.., accomplished by keeping your inflammation down. Trouble is, you just may live to 100 --- oh, who knows...., maybe Yellow Stone is gonna blow???

  • 2 votes
#23.1 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 2:41 PM EST
weRdoomed

and above all you're irrelevant

I humbly disgaree with this. Respect your elders, young man.

  • 2 votes
#23.2 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 2:44 PM EST
mori

didn't mean to offend, it's just that at 55, irrelevance it's the first emotionI'm beginning to feel as I age. It's not a good feeling to loose interest in popular culture, and have popular culture begin to ignore you because of gray and wrinkles. I'm learning to accept these first few vague feelings of becoming passe', and honestly, I wouldn't want to go back to 20 either.... But with each passing year I'm only cheering more and participating less--- by 80 I won't even be cheering. I'm almost planning on backing off my anti-inflam regimen so I don't go much beyond it....

  • 3 votes
#23.3 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 10:31 PM EST
weRdoomed

But with each passing year I'm only cheering more and participating less

Everyone needs a cheerleader. There would be not much fun in performing if no one wanted to watch you. We all play our role :-)

I'm 25...I'll probably sing a different tune later.

  • 1 vote
#23.4 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 9:07 AM EST
mori

you're getting down to what I struggle with--- it's like I'm so self centered that, becoming the cheer leader person isn't enough. I want it to be about me. the change is evident in the lack of flirting--- now I'm just an old person. Even when I used to be extremely over-weight, people responded to me with more meaning. I lost allot of weight, and flood gates of attention and adulation flowed over me--- for 5 short years. LOL. Now I'm old. (smile) Well, actually..., I'm at the beginning of old, I'm just starting to feel and sense the irrelevance of my existence--- even my cheers are becoming irrevelent. It's what I want to tell my children..., life is so short, even if you live to 100, it starts to end in your 50's. I feel good, I think I look younger than I am, I run, I eat extremely healthy--- and yet...., they all somehow know I'm at the beginning of irrevelent...

  • 2 votes
#23.5 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 9:31 AM EST
weRdoomed

No lie, my grandma (age 73) just started dating this new guy (my grandpa died 2 years ago). She and he act like teenagers (eww!! LOL) and she told me "Heather, you think you can't feel young and fall in love and my age, but you can!" I thought...I must take after my dad's side of the family! I think when I am 73, I'll just want to knit a sweater for my great grandbaby and eat fudge!! And that doesn't sound too bad to me!

Maybe 50's is just a tough age range for everyone and you feel better about yourself before and after?

  • 2 votes
#23.6 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 9:48 AM EST
dawnypawny

I am well over 50, and do not feel like dying but feel like living. My grandpa was still hoeing his garden at 90. I am at a special part of my life where I can do as I want, still considering others.

I wouldn't miss these great years as I am having so much fun. My children and grandchildren are a delight and my friends are way cool. I do not intend to plan on dying but plan to plan to continually live my great life.

When hubby and I are out with our friends riding our Harley, we have a great time. Even my time to myself after raising my children is a delight for me.

I have time for gardening now, and pursuing things that I never had time for before. I graduated from grad school at the age of 56. It was a great experience.

I realize the body is not the same as it was in our 20's or 30's or perhaps even in our 40s', but if I stay interested in life, it continues to be a joy.

So, don't even think of taking these years away from me, by writing me off as worthless. I think I am more worthwhile especially to my friends and children in these years.

  • 3 votes
#23.7 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:14 AM EST
mori

(big smile) of course we're not "worthless" and yes, life still is a joy--- an incredible joy. The best example of what I'm beginning to feel....., it's like politics--- I've gotten to the point that I don't care. I'm old enough to know the world didn't end because Reagan became President, and it didn't end when Bill and Hillary were in, George Bush didn't even do us in-- and as much as we hear.., Obama will not end the world. Global warming--- it was global cooling back in the 70's.... I may have 20 years left, the last 20 went like a brush fire! I'm going to blink --- it's over! So, I'm enjoying my life, giving as many smiles as I can, but popular culture is all about accomplishment--- I'm at the beginning of not caring about accomplishment-- and popular culture knows I'll be dead soon, so they tend not to include me anyway. But yeah, grand-kids, family, a good meal, those things still are as enjoyable as they will be on my last day--- which could be tomorrow.

  • 3 votes
#23.8 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:01 PM EST
dawnypawny

Hello, mori, Guess you and I are having a great time with this time of our lives.

Isn't that the truth? We know the world will go on, and we do not panic over each and every political move. Though our joy is intense, everything that happens around us is not as intense. Probably because we already know we have survived so much.

the last 20 went like a brush fire!

You couldn't have expressed that better. They fly by so fast it seems we have to make every minute count, but instead of working so hard to conquer life, we are enjoying

grand-kids, family, a good meal, those things still are as enjoyable as they will be on my last day---

the simpler, warming things in life. The struggles we know we can get through, because we have done it before.

I enjoyed your take on life and think you explained it well. The very best to you!

  • 2 votes
#23.9 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:11 PM EST
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mybrainworks

Well my diet certainly is not the best and I grew up on good ole country southern cooking( that means we fried everything) and I smoked for years. Still do just not cigs lol. But all my family ( both my dad's and my mom's side) have histories of heart problems, high blood pressure and other things however 90% of them lived into their late 80's or early 90's. So who knows. After coming all too close to dying from an illness all I want to do is live each day like it might be my last for of course it could be. I make sure I speak to my mom, my daughter and my grandaughter at least once every day and I make sure I say I love you. I never let my partner leave the house without a hug and a kiss if I am around and I send her at least one text at work to say it again. I have learned to appreciate the small things that make my life rich and to never take for granted that I have time to say all the things that should be said to my loved ones. I try to laugh as often as possible and it sure helps with the stress of everyday irritations. So when I go I hope to leave good memories for those left behind. My love is 18 years younger than me and all things being equal I will go first but I will go knowing that she knows that she was loved, respected and appreciated as will every other member of my family. And I think that is a wonderful legacy to leave behind.

  • 3 votes
Reply#24 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 3:49 PM EST
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